طيب, الي انا اعرفه:
Cao Cao يرسل Xiahou Dun الى الجنوب يطرده Liu Bei.
يتقدم Cao Cao مع Zhang Liao و Yue Jin و قبل وصوله, يتوفى Liu Biao
Liu Cong يستلم, و يستسلم لـ Cao Cao.
Liu Bei يجمع الناس في طريقه الى Jiangxia.
Cao Cao يسافر بسرعة خيالية, و Liu Bei يسافر ببطىء, يتلقيان في Changban, ينتصر Cao Cao و يحتل Jiangxia و يسيطر على اسطول Liu Biao القديم.
يهرب Liu Bei مع قوات Liu Qi قاصدين جنوب Jing لكن Lu Su يقابلهم في Xiakou و يعرض عليهم الانضمام الى Sun Quan - اعتقد لقاهم في نص سفرهم.
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تعرف سيرة من Wu ذكرت الموضوع هذا؟ الي اعرفه سيرة Sun Quan و سيرة Lu Su.
سيرة Lu Su:
http://the-scholars.com/viewtopic.php?p=533263#p533263(المساهمة الاولى فيها كذا سيرة, منها Lu Su)
- اقتباس :
So Sun Quan dispatched Lu Su. He arrived at Xiakou and heard Cao Cao was already heading for Jingzhou, so he doubled his paces from day till night. By the time he arrived at Nanjun, Liu Biao's son, Cong, had surrendered to Lord Cao while Liu Bei was hurriedly running away, crossing the Great River and heading South. Lu Su caught up with them at Changban, in Dangyang. He put forward Sun Quan's ideas and how the Jiangdong was strong and so urged Liu Bei to ally with Sun Quan. Liu Bei was very pleased. At the time, Zhuge Liang agreed with Liu Bei on the matter, so Lu Su said to Liang, "I am a friend of Ziyu", and so instantly, they became friends. Liu Bei forthwith, arrived at Xiakou and dispatched Zhuge Liang as an ambassador to Sun Quan.
السيرة تقول ان Lu Su قابلهم في Dangyang بالقرب من Changban, و بعدها اتفقوا كلهم و راحوا الى Xiakou.
نفس السيرة تقول
- اقتباس :
Born after his death, Lu Su had a son who was very strong who was praised by the supervisor of Ruxu, Zhang Cheng. In the middle of [the reign of] Yong An [CE 258 - 264], he was entitled the General Who is Illustrious and Martial (Zhao Wu Jiang Jun) and Marquis of the Chief Village (Dou Ting Hou), and supervisor of Wuchang. In the middle of [the reign of] Jian Heng [CE 269 - 271], he was promoted to supervise Xiakou where his administration was strict and orderly and this showed how capable he was. In the third year of Feng Huang [CE 274], he died. His son, Mu, was conferred a title of nobility and was in command of troops.
ابن Lu Su كان مسؤول على ميناء Xiakou مما يدل على انه تابع لـ Wu.
سيرة Sun Quan محفوظة عندي بالجهاز, ما تذكر شي عن الحادثة و اساسا ترجمتها تعبانة فمالها لزمة.
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بالنسبة للـ ZZTJ, اول شي يذكر ان Xiakou تتبع Huang Zu الى عام 208
Huang Zu, however, was at Xiakou,5 and Gan Ning's troop could not get
past. He was obliged to stay three years with Huang Zu, who treated him as
no better than an ordinary soldier
بعدين يقول ان Liu Bei راح للميناء
They met the fleet commanded by Guan Yu, and so crossed the Mian.
Liu Bei was joined by Liu Qi and over ten thousand men of his army, and he
brought them all to Xiakou.52
Lu Su حصله هناك
As Lu Su reached Xiakou, he learnt that Cao Cao was already moving
into Jing province. Travelling day and night, he came to Nan commandery,
but by that time Liu Zong had surrendered and Liu Bei had fled south.
Lu Su went straight to meet him, and caught up with him at the Chang
Slope in Dangyang.67
Zhou Yu يطلب من Sun Quan انه يسمح له بالقتال هناك
"This is the time to take him. Give me twenty or thirty thousand trained
soldiers and let me go forward to Xiakou. I guarantee to defeat him for
you."
من تعليقات البروفيسور راف
SGZ 32 (Shu 2), 878 (14b), the Biography of Liu Bei.
52 Liu Bei and the remnants of his party had crossed the Han/Mian River from the west bank,
where Cao Cao's troops controlled the territory after the battle at the Chang Slope, to the
east where Liu Qi still held control of Jiangxia commandery. Xiakou/Miankou was at the
junction of the Han River with the Yangzi; the Sun forces had evidently withdrawn after
storming the fortress earlier in the year: passage D and note 11 above.
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This meeting presumably took place after Liu Bei's defeat by Cao Cao at the Chang Slope;
otherwise Liu Bei would have been more optimistic, and would not have been talking, as he
does below, about taking refuge in the distant commandery of Cangwu, the eastern part of
present-day Guangxi.
Indeed, given the move of Liu Bei from Xiakou to Fankou, described below, and
considering he can have had limited opportunity for discussing strategy with Lu Su or
anyone else during his flight from the Chang Slope (passages Y and CC above), the
decision to seek alliance with Sun Quan was probably not taken until Liu Bei and his
immediate followers reached the comparative security of Xiakou.
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من كتاب جنرالات الجنوب
In the spring of 208 Sun Quan launched the final offensive, this
time against Huang Zu's headquarters at Xiakou. Zhou Yu was in
command of the vanguard, but it was a very considerable combined
force which took part in the attack, and it represented a major
commitment to gain a presence in the central Yangzi basin.
The history records some incidents from the battle:43
بعدها تفاصيل المعركة الطويلة.. بعدها
The city was taken by storm, and Huang Zu was killed as he
fled.
This was a notable victory, and the destruction of Huang Zu
marked the culmination of a program of revenge dating back to the
death of Sun Jian in the fighting near Xiangyang in 191. Sun Quan
did not maintain his position as far west as Xiakou, but he now
dominated the course of the Yangzi for eight hundred kilometres,
from the junction with the Han River east and north to the sea
بعدها هروب Liu Bei للمنطقة, و استمر بهروبه الى Xiakou.
Cao Cao did not follow up in immediate pursuit. The main
objective of his drive to the south had been the base at Jiangling, and
he went first to make sure of that. Liu Bei joined up with Guan Yu
and the Han River fleet, and they continued their retreat to Xiakou,
the junction of the Han with the Yangzi. Once there, they could do
little more than wait.
لقاهم Lu Su قبل لا يوصلون Xiakou في منطقة Dangyang و سافروا معا الى Xiakou
Before Lu Su reached Xiangyang, however, he learnt of Liu
Zong's succession and of the arrival of Cao Cao. He travelled to
intercept Liu Bei near Dangyang, and appears to have caught up
with him immediately after the disaster at the Chang Slope. With Lu
Su's encouragement, Liu Bei and the remainder of his party came
further to the east, and he established a new headquarters at Fankou
in E county, downstream on the Yangzi from Xiakou and
present-day Wuhan. At this stage, Lu Su, accompanied by Zhuge
Liang, went back to Sun Quan to report.
تقريبا هذا الي يهمنا, هذا رابط فصل الـ ZZTJ المتعلق بالقصة
http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/decrespigny/peace2_part3.pdfو هذا اربط فصل Chibi بكتاب جنرالات الجنوب
https://digitalcollections.anu.edu.au/html/1885/42048/gos_ch4.pdfالي انا فهمته ان Sun Quan فضى Xiakou و فرض سيطرته عليها لكن ما ترك قواته تتواجد بالمنطقة ذيك, بعدها Liu Bei كان يبي يهرب للمنطقة بعيد عن قوات Cao Cao, لقاه Lu Su في Dangyang و عرض عليه امر التحالف و سافر معه الى Xiakou. ما في شي يقول عن اي تواجد لـ Liu Qi في المنطقة, او انسحاب لـ Sun Quan او غيرها.
اذا بغيتني اسألك للحين قولي انا حاضر. بس قلت ابي اوريك المصادر شتقول بعدين نسأل اذا حبيت.
موضوع: رد: اقليم Jing و الخيانة العظمى 
السبت 04 يونيو 2011, 8:51 pm
